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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://israelity.com/2007/08/22/military-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-192205</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 18:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, John.  Instead of addressing the issue at hand you decided to analyze and assess my value system and character.  However, your assumptions are off base and incorrect.  And this isn&#039;t about me.  

From your current U.S. home base I would think it might be difficult to assess how much things have changed in this region since Lebanon in the early 80&#039;s. 

And during the 80&#039;s, there weren&#039;t record numbers of soldiers refusing service.  That&#039;s happening now.  So clearly something has changed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, John.  Instead of addressing the issue at hand you decided to analyze and assess my value system and character.  However, your assumptions are off base and incorrect.  And this isn&#8217;t about me.  </p>
<p>From your current U.S. home base I would think it might be difficult to assess how much things have changed in this region since Lebanon in the early 80&#8242;s. </p>
<p>And during the 80&#8242;s, there weren&#8217;t record numbers of soldiers refusing service.  That&#8217;s happening now.  So clearly something has changed.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://israelity.com/2007/08/22/military-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-192171</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The passage of time has not fundamentally changed human nature. Cultures &amp; customs may change, but people do not. David-Joe assumes this. Stephanie denies it.

Further, Stephanie values life while divorcing herself from the protection of it. Is this not somewhat like a willingness to parent a child, but a refusal to take responsibility for its protection? In Stephanie&#039;s thinking she values life, but not enough to sacrifice her &quot;higher&quot; values of personal peace and prosperity.

To believe that some form of pacifism or neutrality will resolve national conflict is to repeat the error of the Netherlands &amp; Switzerland during World War II. Both were occupied and Anne Frank died.

I ended up in Lebanon from 1980-81. We heard the same arguments 27 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The passage of time has not fundamentally changed human nature. Cultures &amp; customs may change, but people do not. David-Joe assumes this. Stephanie denies it.</p>
<p>Further, Stephanie values life while divorcing herself from the protection of it. Is this not somewhat like a willingness to parent a child, but a refusal to take responsibility for its protection? In Stephanie&#8217;s thinking she values life, but not enough to sacrifice her &#8220;higher&#8221; values of personal peace and prosperity.</p>
<p>To believe that some form of pacifism or neutrality will resolve national conflict is to repeat the error of the Netherlands &amp; Switzerland during World War II. Both were occupied and Anne Frank died.</p>
<p>I ended up in Lebanon from 1980-81. We heard the same arguments 27 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://israelity.com/2007/08/22/military-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-191750</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 07:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But David, this is where you err.  It apparently does matter what they think or feel because they&#039;re the ones refusing to serve.  It&#039;s been 30 years since your army service and things have changed.  The credo &quot;You must meet your responsibility.  Period&quot; doesn&#039;t stick anymore.  Not with this generation.  And they&#039;re not parasites or cowards.  Value for life is a virtue, not cowardice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But David, this is where you err.  It apparently does matter what they think or feel because they&#8217;re the ones refusing to serve.  It&#8217;s been 30 years since your army service and things have changed.  The credo &#8220;You must meet your responsibility.  Period&#8221; doesn&#8217;t stick anymore.  Not with this generation.  And they&#8217;re not parasites or cowards.  Value for life is a virtue, not cowardice.</p>
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		<title>By: David-Joe</title>
		<link>http://israelity.com/2007/08/22/military-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-191736</link>
		<dc:creator>David-Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 03:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is going on with them? When I did military service we did not cry like babies and use emotionalism. We went to the army and at a time when there was constant fighting. That was it.

I missed the 1973 war, but I had four members of my family serve then. I entered service in 1977 and ended up in Lebanon.

It does not matter what these people feel - they have a responsibility. What kind of people are they that they are okay seeing fellow citizens risk their lives?

Are they Israelis? If so they must meet their responsibility.

I served four years and then the reserves for years.

I have no sympathy at all for these shirkers. They are parasites and cowards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is going on with them? When I did military service we did not cry like babies and use emotionalism. We went to the army and at a time when there was constant fighting. That was it.</p>
<p>I missed the 1973 war, but I had four members of my family serve then. I entered service in 1977 and ended up in Lebanon.</p>
<p>It does not matter what these people feel &#8211; they have a responsibility. What kind of people are they that they are okay seeing fellow citizens risk their lives?</p>
<p>Are they Israelis? If so they must meet their responsibility.</p>
<p>I served four years and then the reserves for years.</p>
<p>I have no sympathy at all for these shirkers. They are parasites and cowards.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://israelity.com/2007/08/22/military-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-191735</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:19:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sort of assuming you&#039;re past army age.  So when you &quot;declare&quot; the reasons for service refusal, you&#039;re declaring your opinion but not reflecting what&#039;s happening with today&#039;s young people.  You can only stretch the &quot;media&quot; and &quot;liberals&quot; blame theory so far but that won&#039;t solve the issue.  

The key is talking to the real people - the young people - on the ground and finding out what&#039;s going on with them.  And no matter your political view, the discontent is real and needs to be addressed, not strong armed into compliance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sort of assuming you&#8217;re past army age.  So when you &#8220;declare&#8221; the reasons for service refusal, you&#8217;re declaring your opinion but not reflecting what&#8217;s happening with today&#8217;s young people.  You can only stretch the &#8220;media&#8221; and &#8220;liberals&#8221; blame theory so far but that won&#8217;t solve the issue.  </p>
<p>The key is talking to the real people &#8211; the young people &#8211; on the ground and finding out what&#8217;s going on with them.  And no matter your political view, the discontent is real and needs to be addressed, not strong armed into compliance.</p>
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		<title>By: David-Joe</title>
		<link>http://israelity.com/2007/08/22/military-campaign/comment-page-1/#comment-191727</link>
		<dc:creator>David-Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In a free country, one chooses to live there, therefore one must consider it worthy to fight for. In addition, the only way laws may be changed in a democratic nation is through the political legislative process. If a person disagrees with the law, it is not in order to disobey it, otherwise the result is anarchy.

I declare that the reason there is the problem of a rejection of serving in the IDF belongs directly in the laps of the Israeli intellectuals. Along with media cooperation, and the indulgence of the education system and even parents, the existence of Israel and the morality of Zionism is being undermined.

How can anyone expect people to serve when the Arabs are considered to have an equal point?

How can one blame soldiers for refusing when they see Jews being cast out of their homes by Israeli soldiers yet the Prime Minister and the IDF compromise defensive action by not bombing enemy civilians when Israrel&#039;s security is at risk? Think about Sderot - it is an utter disgrace that those people have to live with the threat.

It was Thomas Jefferson, one of the Framers of the US Constitution and Preident as wellas great thinker, that declared the ONLY reason for the existence of government, is the protection of the individual rights of a free nation - iow: security.

How can one blame people when they see Israeli soldiers being forced to sacrifice their lives such as happened in Jenin, when 13 Israeli soldiers were killed for the sake of harming enemy civilians?

One day, the Zionist fervor of those who founded and built Israel, will be  reestablished, and it will loudly be declared that the country of Israel, in the Land Of Israel, is there by RIGHT and that there is no equivocation or deliberation required or discussion needed.

And those who do not want to serve? Leave and stop being parasites. Israel does not need you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a free country, one chooses to live there, therefore one must consider it worthy to fight for. In addition, the only way laws may be changed in a democratic nation is through the political legislative process. If a person disagrees with the law, it is not in order to disobey it, otherwise the result is anarchy.</p>
<p>I declare that the reason there is the problem of a rejection of serving in the IDF belongs directly in the laps of the Israeli intellectuals. Along with media cooperation, and the indulgence of the education system and even parents, the existence of Israel and the morality of Zionism is being undermined.</p>
<p>How can anyone expect people to serve when the Arabs are considered to have an equal point?</p>
<p>How can one blame soldiers for refusing when they see Jews being cast out of their homes by Israeli soldiers yet the Prime Minister and the IDF compromise defensive action by not bombing enemy civilians when Israrel&#8217;s security is at risk? Think about Sderot &#8211; it is an utter disgrace that those people have to live with the threat.</p>
<p>It was Thomas Jefferson, one of the Framers of the US Constitution and Preident as wellas great thinker, that declared the ONLY reason for the existence of government, is the protection of the individual rights of a free nation &#8211; iow: security.</p>
<p>How can one blame people when they see Israeli soldiers being forced to sacrifice their lives such as happened in Jenin, when 13 Israeli soldiers were killed for the sake of harming enemy civilians?</p>
<p>One day, the Zionist fervor of those who founded and built Israel, will be  reestablished, and it will loudly be declared that the country of Israel, in the Land Of Israel, is there by RIGHT and that there is no equivocation or deliberation required or discussion needed.</p>
<p>And those who do not want to serve? Leave and stop being parasites. Israel does not need you.</p>
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