Comments on: Deviating from the election norm http://israelity.com/2009/02/08/deviating-from-the-election-norm/ Life beyond the conflict Fri, 10 Feb 2012 15:20:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: Harry http://israelity.com/2009/02/08/deviating-from-the-election-norm/comment-page-1/#comment-283141 Harry Mon, 09 Feb 2009 09:41:20 +0000 http://israelity.com/?p=8132#comment-283141 Nicky, you must be referring to the Green Movement and not the Greens. The greens are hacks and the Green Movement/Meimad are an honest bunch that seem to have gained a lot of momentum these past few days. It seems like everyone in the Israeli Hebrew blogosphere is either supporting them of Hadash (commies!). Nicky, you must be referring to the Green Movement and not the Greens. The greens are hacks and the Green Movement/Meimad are an honest bunch that seem to have gained a lot of momentum these past few days. It seems like everyone in the Israeli Hebrew blogosphere is either supporting them of Hadash (commies!).

]]> By: David Doron http://israelity.com/2009/02/08/deviating-from-the-election-norm/comment-page-1/#comment-283062 David Doron Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:11:33 +0000 http://israelity.com/?p=8132#comment-283062 The website of the green movement is tym.org.il. Sorry again for the mistake. The website of the green movement is tym.org.il. Sorry again for the mistake.

]]> By: David Doron http://israelity.com/2009/02/08/deviating-from-the-election-norm/comment-page-1/#comment-283060 David Doron Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:08:47 +0000 http://israelity.com/?p=8132#comment-283060 Please check the site of the new Green Movement - Meimad (tym.or.il) I have been voting since the late 60s, and this is the first time that I've met candidates that have real integrity, like Rabi Malkior, prof. Alon Tal, Eran Ben - Yemini and Iris Han. They all have an impressive record of doing for the education, health, environment and the welfare of the people here, in Israel. Please check the site of the new Green Movement – Meimad (tym.or.il)

I have been voting since the late 60s, and this is the first time that I’ve met candidates that have real integrity, like Rabi Malkior, prof. Alon Tal, Eran Ben – Yemini and Iris Han. They all have an impressive record of doing for the education, health, environment and the welfare of the people here, in Israel.

]]> By: Nicky http://israelity.com/2009/02/08/deviating-from-the-election-norm/comment-page-1/#comment-283052 Nicky Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:25:32 +0000 http://israelity.com/?p=8132#comment-283052 Strangely enough, the only real excitement I've heard from anyone about any political party has been about the Green party. National security is vital obviously, but so is climate change, and we can't afford to be complacent. I haven't decided how I'm voting yet - tactically or from the heart... Strangely enough, the only real excitement I’ve heard from anyone about any political party has been about the Green party. National security is vital obviously, but so is climate change, and we can’t afford to be complacent.
I haven’t decided how I’m voting yet – tactically or from the heart…

]]> By: Steven http://israelity.com/2009/02/08/deviating-from-the-election-norm/comment-page-1/#comment-283051 Steven Sun, 08 Feb 2009 17:22:20 +0000 http://israelity.com/?p=8132#comment-283051 There should be some way to put accountability to the electorate into the system. Maybe on the back of the ballot paper should be the whole list, and you get the opportunity to cross one name off and put a check on one name that you really like, so that the electors get to determine where on the list a particular politician falls. the parties might prefer this, as Kadima supporters might be happier voting for the party if they could, say, push Hanagbi down into the 119th spot, or raise Yael Naim up into 2nd spot. There should be some way to put accountability to the electorate into the system. Maybe on the back of the ballot paper should be the whole list, and you get the opportunity to cross one name off and put a check on one name that you really like, so that the electors get to determine where on the list a particular politician falls. the parties might prefer this, as Kadima supporters might be happier voting for the party if they could, say, push Hanagbi down into the 119th spot, or raise Yael Naim up into 2nd spot.

]]> By: David-Joe http://israelity.com/2009/02/08/deviating-from-the-election-norm/comment-page-1/#comment-283041 David-Joe Sun, 08 Feb 2009 15:40:16 +0000 http://israelity.com/?p=8132#comment-283041 Why? It is because Israelis are realizing that they have lost the will to ensure security. How? The latest defense campaign against the Arabs in Gaza was supposed to stop the rockets. It has failed. The Hamas rockets continue to fly. Operation Cast Lead [who though this name uyp? A child?] was supposed to undermine Hamas government in Gaza. It failed. The Campaign iinto Gaza was supposd to force Hamas to release Schalit. It failed. Israelis constantly heard how "compassionate" the forces were - and one pilot, even aborted his mission because he may have had to harm enemy civilians. He should have been court martialled not agreed with. And Iran? Israelis are quickly arriving at the conclusion that nothng is likely to be done if Ntanyahu is not elected. And even then, we all know that he is an arrogant leader who pretends that he is a "king" and what he says is not what he does, often. Further, the illusion that Israel is a normal country in a normal situation may be sinking in and Israelis these days do not like that. They are not the Israelis of the past that understood and held the principles of Zionism high. The Israelis of today are interested in Athenian comfort, do not mind corruption that much, and are actually doubting themselves. I talk to young Israelis I meet in NYC - and there are many - and politically and idealogically they have no view of Israel's RIGHT. Israel no longer projects the image of being the strong and determined nation that woe betide anyone that attacks. Israel these days projects the image of a beleagured, confused nation. A nation caught between trying to apply the Christian ethic of "turning the other cheek" and while trying to be either Europe or America - at different times - and the rest simply doing nothing. Israel needs to reassess itself and understand the seriousness and danger that it is in. For if Iran gains the nuclear weapon it seeks, then the third State of Israel, in the Land of Israel, will be under an existential threat and of you think the national mood is depressed now - then just wait until then. Israel today, is a nation that both Ben Gurion and Begin and definitelty Jabotinsky, would be so very sad over. Why? It is because Israelis are realizing that they have lost the will to ensure security.

How?
The latest defense campaign against the Arabs in Gaza was supposed to stop the rockets. It has failed. The Hamas rockets continue to fly.

Operation Cast Lead [who though this name uyp? A child?] was supposed to undermine Hamas government in Gaza. It failed.

The Campaign iinto Gaza was supposd to force Hamas to release Schalit. It failed.

Israelis constantly heard how “compassionate” the forces were – and one pilot, even aborted his mission because he may have had to harm enemy civilians. He should have been court martialled not agreed with.

And Iran? Israelis are quickly arriving at the conclusion that nothng is likely to be done if Ntanyahu is not elected. And even then, we all know that he is an arrogant leader who pretends that he is a “king” and what he says is not what he does, often.

Further, the illusion that Israel is a normal country in a normal situation may be sinking in and Israelis these days do not like that. They are not the Israelis of the past that understood and held the principles of Zionism high.

The Israelis of today are interested in Athenian comfort, do not mind corruption that much, and are actually doubting themselves.
I talk to young Israelis I meet in NYC – and there are many – and politically and idealogically they have no view of Israel’s RIGHT.

Israel no longer projects the image of being the strong and determined nation that woe betide anyone that attacks.

Israel these days projects the image of a beleagured, confused nation. A nation caught between trying to apply the Christian ethic of “turning the other cheek” and while trying to be either Europe or America – at different times – and the rest simply doing nothing.

Israel needs to reassess itself and understand the seriousness and danger that it is in. For if Iran gains the nuclear weapon it seeks, then the third State of Israel, in the Land of Israel, will be under an existential threat and of you think the national mood is depressed now – then just wait until then.

Israel today, is a nation that both Ben Gurion and Begin and definitelty Jabotinsky, would be so very sad over.

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