Comments on: Religious ruptures http://israelity.com/2009/11/15/religious-ruptures/ Life beyond the conflict Sun, 20 May 2012 18:10:09 +0000 hourly 1 By: ilona@israel http://israelity.com/2009/11/15/religious-ruptures/comment-page-1/#comment-295719 ilona@israel Sat, 12 Dec 2009 22:40:05 +0000 http://israelity.com/?p=14020#comment-295719 the fact that this event was hold back is very strange. Even more surprisingly that this plot has not been used as antipropagation of currient situation in Israel all over the world. the fact that this event was hold back is very strange. Even more surprisingly that this plot has not been used as antipropagation of currient situation in Israel all over the world.

]]> By: Vania Rakhel Melamed http://israelity.com/2009/11/15/religious-ruptures/comment-page-1/#comment-295215 Vania Rakhel Melamed Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:58:11 +0000 http://israelity.com/?p=14020#comment-295215 B"H At the risk of sounding vague, here's the real issue: the issue is Israel is known (and felt by Hareidim) to be the Jewish State. To attract Jews to make aliyot in Israel on the premise it's a Jewish State and homeland to Hareidim is fallacious if the government cannot remain within the laws of Judaism. Now, we Hareidim recognize that Israel is a secular state, but again, as a Jewish homeland, which it's supposed to be, Hareidim feel their country is using them as a novelty or ethnic commodity to attract visitors, OR, that they are the unfortunate yet tolerate class of primitive Jewish minds still clinging to the notion that being Jewish is more than just hip and a religion. To us, we are a people, and just as the Kohanim began hiding their circumcisions to participate in Roman Olympics and prostituted themselves to allow Romans and Assyrians to infiltrate the Temple with ideas of polytheism, many Hareidim seriously feel Israel is headed in an almost anti-semitic, lustful direction. That said, Jews should not destroy the property of other Jews, or other people. But we recall how the Maccabees destroyed Temple idols that were placed by the traitor Kohanim in the Temple, and we recall Avraham's destruction of his father's idols. You must remember: A PARKING LOT OPENED ON SHABBAT IS INSENSITIVE AND DISCRIMINATORY AGAINST ALL OBSERVANT JEWS, NOT JUST HAREIDIM, BECAUSE IF IT IS OPENED ON SHABBAT, JUST LIKE A KOSHER RESTAURANT OPENED ON SHABBAT, IT IS NOW TRAIF, OR IN THIS CASE, THE PARKING LOT CANNOT BE USED BY OBSERVANT JEWS. YOU CAN CLAIM WHAT OTHER CONSERVATIVE OR REFORM JEWS DO, WHICH IS THAT WE ARE PRIMITIVE OR LIVE IN A BUBBLE (and some are); THE TRUTH IS, WE LIVE ACCORDING TO THE LAWS OF THE TORAH, AND EXPECT THE JEWISH HOMELAND TO RESPECT AND UPHOLD THE BASIC CONDITIONS OF THOSE LAWS WITH REGARD TO BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS OR ANYTHING GOVERNING USE BY ISRAEL'S POPULATION, INCLUDING THE PROTECTION ACCORDING TO THE TORAH OF GENTILES. Most Hareidim won't tell you this, but it's true. They feel Israel no longer represents anything Jewish except that Madonna wants to visit here and we all play Mizrahi music at our weddings. We Hareidim view this action as not only a step away from being a Jewish safe-haven, but now also being anti-Mesorah, so to speak. I hope you can understand where some of us are coming from, because most of the world seems to think we are psychos, an anomaly, or the pitiful secret vestigial tail of a beautiful Israeli super model. B”H
At the risk of sounding vague, here’s the real issue: the issue is Israel is known (and felt by Hareidim) to be the Jewish State. To attract Jews to make aliyot in Israel on the premise it’s a Jewish State and homeland to Hareidim is fallacious if the government cannot remain within the laws of Judaism. Now, we Hareidim recognize that Israel is a secular state, but again, as a Jewish homeland, which it’s supposed to be, Hareidim feel their country is using them as a novelty or ethnic commodity to attract visitors, OR, that they are the unfortunate yet tolerate class of primitive Jewish minds still clinging to the notion that being Jewish is more than just hip and a religion. To us, we are a people, and just as the Kohanim began hiding their circumcisions to participate in Roman Olympics and prostituted themselves to allow Romans and Assyrians to infiltrate the Temple with ideas of polytheism, many Hareidim seriously feel Israel is headed in an almost anti-semitic, lustful direction.

That said, Jews should not destroy the property of other Jews, or other people. But we recall how the Maccabees destroyed Temple idols that were placed by the traitor Kohanim in the Temple, and we recall Avraham’s destruction of his father’s idols. You must remember: A PARKING LOT OPENED ON SHABBAT IS INSENSITIVE AND DISCRIMINATORY AGAINST ALL OBSERVANT JEWS, NOT JUST HAREIDIM, BECAUSE IF IT IS OPENED ON SHABBAT, JUST LIKE A KOSHER RESTAURANT OPENED ON SHABBAT, IT IS NOW TRAIF, OR IN THIS CASE, THE PARKING LOT CANNOT BE USED BY OBSERVANT JEWS. YOU CAN CLAIM WHAT OTHER CONSERVATIVE OR REFORM JEWS DO, WHICH IS THAT WE ARE PRIMITIVE OR LIVE IN A BUBBLE (and some are); THE TRUTH IS, WE LIVE ACCORDING TO THE LAWS OF THE TORAH, AND EXPECT THE JEWISH HOMELAND TO RESPECT AND UPHOLD THE BASIC CONDITIONS OF THOSE LAWS WITH REGARD TO BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS OR ANYTHING GOVERNING USE BY ISRAEL’S POPULATION, INCLUDING THE PROTECTION ACCORDING TO THE TORAH OF GENTILES.

Most Hareidim won’t tell you this, but it’s true. They feel Israel no longer represents anything Jewish except that Madonna wants to visit here and we all play Mizrahi music at our weddings. We Hareidim view this action as not only a step away from being a Jewish safe-haven, but now also being anti-Mesorah, so to speak. I hope you can understand where some of us are coming from, because most of the world seems to think we are psychos, an anomaly, or the pitiful secret vestigial tail of a beautiful Israeli super model.

]]> By: Maskil http://israelity.com/2009/11/15/religious-ruptures/comment-page-1/#comment-295210 Maskil Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:41:04 +0000 http://israelity.com/?p=14020#comment-295210 Agreed, international media coverage of the violence was also extensive, and included the vandalising of the Intel synagogue by Haredi rioters. Agreed, international media coverage of the violence was also extensive, and included the vandalising of the Intel synagogue by Haredi rioters.

]]> By: Joel Katz http://israelity.com/2009/11/15/religious-ruptures/comment-page-1/#comment-295130 Joel Katz Sun, 15 Nov 2009 16:13:51 +0000 http://israelity.com/?p=14020#comment-295130 "The riots were reportedly peaceful" Although this AP article quotes the Jerusalem Police Chief, I find it a bit surprising considering the extensive Israel media coverage reporting violence on the part of the protesters - including video. Joel Katz <a href="http://religionandstateinisrael.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Religion and State in Israel</a> “The riots were reportedly peaceful”

Although this AP article quotes the Jerusalem Police Chief, I find it a bit surprising considering the extensive Israel media coverage reporting violence on the part of the protesters – including video.

Joel Katz
Religion and State in Israel

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